Okay you great steaming woofter, I want you off my back, you keep saying go away and leave us alone, well I did do, in fact I walked away from your list, your mailing list and yet you keep setting up egroups to annoy and irritate me, you sent me an email just now to annoy and irritate me, *you* are the wind-up merchant and yet you call me a troll by your distorted logic. I say, er, too much of, erm, the activity you pooves get up to I think actually rots the brain. Anyway get off my back loo-ee will you. Lou however you pronounce it.