Well that's no bloody good I can't complain to Creative Technologies about you cause you work there or did work there although depends what role you've had I mean you claim you own an ISP I'll find out from exactly -from them what your role is. Anyway I see you went to Wesleyan University, Durham University, oh quite a pedigree then, not stupid, Durham's quite good, nearly as good as the one I went to. Erm, anyway, erm I, you've certainly been around the web quite a lot - 54 hits on the the web and how many on newsgroups? Let me see, er so far. Oh 10 on newsgroups so far and twelve email address hits and that's just with a minute's worth of searching. Right, I shall have to go away and think again. Well, I'll speak to Creative Technologies and see what they've got to say. I've already sent the stuff off to a UK newspaper who's writing this up, so then they know who you are, you're now famous, bye then.