Yeah, it's Ian Gomeche here again Peekay er one thing I would point out to you is that erm on the Al Stewart list where I had a certain amount of grief it was a very small core who were basically causing me grief a lot of them were posting to me privately and I was still exchanging correspondence with a number of people on that list erm and email list a little while ago and also I'm gonna visit one or two of them when I go to California to see a friend who's a professor at the university there erm sometime, well it should have been this summer but for various reasons that's been delayed, but I'm going over there so I will be seeing them, so. And, also when I left the list I ... I took 80 of them to my Lord Gnome list, that's right the one I set-up and erm they were all there through choice some did leave in fact there were more than 80 to start with but a number of them just unsubscribed but it settled down about 80 and you know everyone was happy and erm so you know erm that's not bad really considering that erm a lot of people actually lurk on these lists and erm the actual active posters on the Al Stewart list was probably you know only about [garbled] out of 200 which is the normal ratio for these mailing lists of about 1 to 10 and certainly on the erm Mark Thomas list that seems to be the same thing there's about 200 people on the list apparently and there's about 20 active posters I would say it's really just a small core, I mean, again on the Mark Thomas list there's a number of people on that list are mailing me privately and we're getting on fine and I'll probably make some good friends on this list but there are a lot of wankers on this list timewasters who've got nothing better to do than spend all day sending each other emails about god-knows-what they are just armchair-activists you know all playing at being Mark Thomas I think it's absolutely pathetic, Heather at SHAC thinks it's pathetic and there's a number of other people think it's pathetic erm the only reason I've been talking to Heather at SHAC is because you lot some of you lot keep going on about how you're gonna keep phoning up SHAC to try and stir up trouble but SHAC aren't interested in hearing from you they know I do a lot of good for them and we're talking about all sorts of future stories I'm either writing myself or setting-up on other papers on them and obviously they need as much publicity as they can get also it's my idea on the domain name...