---- Thu-29-Jun-2000-01-48.txt ---- Okay, Lagovski, whatever your name, is erm, you mess with my domain name, setup websites, whatever you think you can do, 'cause you think you're so clever and I will bankrupt you, quite simply. The courts will back me on this, I know they will, I've erm, because I buy and sell domains, I keep up with all the, erm, test cases regarding this sort of thing, call it cybersquatting, call it what you will, and I'm absolutely certain that if I took you to court I would win, whether you transfer it my property or not, and I'd make sure *massive* costs were awarded. But try it, go for it, if you really want Bye then. ---- Thu-29-Jun-2000-22-15.txt ---- Well, I see you did it Lakofbrain, you went ahead and did it. Erm, that's okay, put lots of libellous material on that site, do what you like with it - cause I'm going to take you to court, and I assure you I will win and I will get costs, *massive* costs. And also, I've got a good news story here, "How I fought to get my name name back". Erm, so, yeah, thanks very much for giving me a good story. See you in court then. Mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ---- Thu-29-Jun-2000-22-16.txt ---- Well I've obviously got a very saleable story now, on the whole Mark Thomas mailing list fiasco - Idiots in Cyberspace - and all the police stuff going on and everything, and people being arrested by Special Branch and all the rest of it, and all the nonsense that's been going there this week, which as I, I've got documented and it's already gone off to various papers. Yeah, I'm-I'm in for a good story here, I'm incredibly pleased that you've done this actually, Lakofbrain. Bye then. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-00-19.txt ---- Well it's quite useful having a friend who's a private detective cause erm I will soon be in possession of your London ex-directory phone number and your address. Ha. Erm, what else was I gonna say? Erm, yes, er you don't know much about InterNIC rules, bearing in mind that you claim to run an ISP, InterNIC rules clearly state that anyone who registers a name must do so in good faith, you have clearly not registered my name in good faith therefore I assure you the courts will make you give it back. In fact you tell me a single case, one single case, where a cybersquatter and that's what you are - whether you're selling it or not doesn't matter you-you've cybersquatted my name - has won not once have they ever won every single case that's gone through the complainant, ie me or people like me have won. I will get costs, massive costs, I'll get my name back, and I'll probably get damages if you put anything up on that site which is defamatory. So we will track you down and we will get my name back and I've got- I'm gonna get a damn good story out of this, okay bye then. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-00-21.txt ---- Yeah, you see your bragging to the Mark Thomas list, about what you planned to do, with my name, shows quite clearly that you planned to use it for malicious purposes. Anyway, I have title to my name under common law, and it doesn't have to be a trademark or anything, it's my name by common law, you have no right to it, so, yeah, the case is mine. Bye then. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-00-22.txt ---- Yeah, while I'm at I'll ask my friend who runs a detective agency, who is ex-Met police by the way, erm, to check you out very thoroughly indeed. Let's find out about Thomas La-koffff-ski. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-00-46.txt ---- 'course you're in to a fight, that's why you registered the damn thing you know I advised you not to. That was a deliberately provocative thing to do. No, you can bloody well keep it, and I'll drag you the courts and get my costs, and get a news story. You're lumbered with it mate, bye. Mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-00-47.txt ---- No, and also and when my private detective friend has finished turning you over, which he is now doing, we will know everything there ever is to know about Mr Thomas Lakofski. Everything. And, I say, you you'd be amazed how many people he knows, being ex-Met police. Nyah, have fun. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-00-49.txt ---- Well I guess we could overlook the, er, time and expertise already spent on this I mean my mate don't come cheap although he's doing it as a favour as a friend so he's gotta get, he's gotta pay for ex-directory numbers you don't just get them you've gotta pay for 'em a hundred quid I think the going rate is right now. Anyway, the point is that, erm, yeah I might let you transfer it to me, at no cost to myself, so it saves me the thirty quid I would've paid for it, yeah I'll think about that, otherwise for the moment you're lumbered and I'm taking you to court. Bye. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-03-27.txt ---- Yeah, if you own an ISP, which I don't believe, what the hell is your, erm, 88.net site and the iangomeche dot site doing stuck on Creative Technologies' server in bloody New York, or registered in New York, I'm gonna phone these buggers up, in fact I did just phone them but they're not in right now so I'll speak to them ... tomorrow and find *exactly* what your relationship is and *exactly* what, what the set-up is, and I'm gonna tell them that a legal action is coming their way and see how we get on shall we, I say I'm gonna take you to the cleaners, bye. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-04-12.txt ---- Well that's no bloody good I can't complain to Creative Technologies about you cause you work there or did work there although depends what role you've had I mean you claim you own an ISP I'll find out from exactly -from them what your role is. Anyway I see you went to Wesleyan University, Durham University, oh quite a pedigree then, not stupid, Durham's quite good, nearly as good as the one I went to. Erm, anyway, erm I, you've certainly been around the web quite a lot - 54 hits on the the web and how many on newsgroups? Let me see, er so far. Oh 10 on newsgroups so far and twelve email address hits and that's just with a minute's worth of searching. Right, I shall have to go away and think again. Well, I'll speak to Creative Technologies and see what they've got to say. I've already sent the stuff off to a UK newspaper who's writing this up, so then they know who you are, you're now famous, bye then. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-04-21.txt ---- Well I will say your technical expertise looks quite good, although you might be bullshitting on all these mailing lists, all these newsgroup postings I spose. I know a bit about comms as well I used to be the UK comms product manager for a small computer company called Unisys who you might've just have heard of so, but let's not get into a cyber war anyway, I'd rather just fight you in the courts cause I'm gonna, we're gonna slaughter you basically. Okay, bye then. Mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-04-23.txt ---- Actually I plan to get into linux, so I'll know who to come to for advice, although you seem to be into the day-be-an, deb-ian, however you pronounce it, er, implementation, I thought of Su-sie, erm, which I believe is reasonably okay, erm, but I haven't really had a chance to do anything with linux much yet, so anyway I'll know where to come, you're obviously quite shit-hot at this stuff, aren't you. Pity your legal knowledge is a bit weak but never mind. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-04-27.txt ---- Yeah I know this is costing me 30p a minute or whatever you said but I say when we put in our erm, haha, costs in the courts this going to be peanuts. Well that was pretty unexciting I will say, you don't lead a very exciting life on the internet, you should get out more I think, erm, well of course you keep jetsetting off to New York or whereever you go I mean essentially all I've found out about you looking at this lot is that you are pretty obsessed, well perhaps you do it for a job whatever, with Linux particularly De-bian/Deb-ian and that's all you seem to post about really, no music, no outside interests, no nothing. I mean I now know you went to Wesleyan University and Durham University and you work or did work at Creative whatever-they-are, Creative Technologies or whoever they are in New York and that's pretty much. So I'll get my mate Roger to erm, continue his, erm, private investigating type work I think he'll get on rather better than me, for once. Okay, bye then. Mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-04-28.txt ---- Oh! At last something which isn't bloody linux, erm, Back Orifice, mmm, yeah I know the Cult of the Dead Cow very well, well reasonably well. Bye then. Mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-04-32.txt ---- Yeah, regarding your er, posting to um, where is it, the security mailing list at Oxford University, I was on that list for a while, because I'm actually a member of the British Computer Society Security Special Interest Group, perhaps you are as well, perhaps we will meet some time, at the conference, and I can serve a predice? on you then Bye. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-04-41.txt ---- Yeah, this discussion the three of you've got going here on erm, on domain names and all that, is quite interesting, actually, I might join. Ha!Ha! Don't worry I won't, erm, but you know, er, yeah, it's quite some good stuff here, makes a change from all this Linux crap, which it's a bit late in the - I mean Linux is fascinating, but just not at 4 O'clock in the morning. Okay, bye then. Mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-04-42.txt ---- You say here that, erm, top-level domains should be restricted to one per organisation, body or individual, so what are you doing owning, owning at least two, ie iangomeche.com and, erm, 88.net or whatever it is, I mean probably own some more n' that; But, y'know, that's a bit hypocritical isn't it? Ok, bye then. Mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-04-45.txt ---- I've got to tell you this story about the Tux you're gonna like this one, erm, erm, the Al Stewart, one of the Al Stewart archives used to be on Tux, because they got a- got it free somehow, I know Tux is mostly Linux groups but erm they got a couple of music groups on there well er both owned by the same woman anyway this Sylvia Morris woman the one that I'm supposed to have cyberstalked she started going on and on about me erm that I was posting stuff to the Tux directly cause I'd worked out how to do that and the Tux got so fed up of all this bloody squabbling cause they're just techy guys who just want to get on and do Linux and they're not really interested in anything else they just shut the thing down and threw the list off which I thought was quite funny really. Yeah, interesting guys, the Tux guys. Bye then. Mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ---- Fri-30-Jun-2000-04-47.txt ---- Last message tonight, possibly, probably, erm, I've got for the value of the domain name, because that's what I do, you know, well I'm sorta moving into a bit. And, your name 88.net that's worth a few bob that is, erm, short, two digits, yeah, top-level domain, pity it's not a com, but it's still a net. You could get a few for a that if you flogged it, and then you could play all your legal costs that you're gonna be incurring. Just an idea, bye then. Mmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ---- Sat-01-Jul-2000-12-39.txt ---- Yeah, it's Ian Gomeche here again Peekay er one thing I would point out to you is that erm on the Al Stewart list where I had a certain amount of grief it was a very small core who were basically causing me grief a lot of them were posting to me privately and I was still exchanging correspondence with a number of people on that list erm and email list a little while ago and also I'm gonna visit one or two of them when I go to California to see a friend who's a professor at the university there erm sometime, well it should have been this summer but for various reasons that's been delayed, but I'm going over there so I will be seeing them, so. And, also when I left the list I ... I took 80 of them to my Lord Gnome list, that's right the one I set-up and erm they were all there through choice some did leave in fact there were more than 80 to start with but a number of them just unsubscribed but it settled down about 80 and you know everyone was happy and erm so you know erm that's not bad really considering that erm a lot of people actually lurk on these lists and erm the actual active posters on the Al Stewart list was probably you know only about [garbled] out of 200 which is the normal ratio for these mailing lists of about 1 to 10 and certainly on the erm Mark Thomas list that seems to be the same thing there's about 200 people on the list apparently and there's about 20 active posters I would say it's really just a small core, I mean, again on the Mark Thomas list there's a number of people on that list are mailing me privately and we're getting on fine and I'll probably make some good friends on this list but there are a lot of wankers on this list timewasters who've got nothing better to do than spend all day sending each other emails about god-knows-what they are just armchair-activists you know all playing at being Mark Thomas I think it's absolutely pathetic, Heather at SHAC thinks it's pathetic and there's a number of other people think it's pathetic erm the only reason I've been talking to Heather at SHAC is because you lot some of you lot keep going on about how you're gonna keep phoning up SHAC to try and stir up trouble but SHAC aren't interested in hearing from you they know I do a lot of good for them and we're talking about all sorts of future stories I'm either writing myself or setting-up on other papers on them and obviously they need as much publicity as they can get also it's my idea on the domain name... ---- Sat-01-Jul-2000-12-42.txt ---- Yeah, certainly on the, erm, Michael Palin list that I was on, the woman who ran the list has been written to by Palin's management *twice* now about the way she's doing things and the claims she's making on her website which she's now shut down, I didn't ... I didn't tell her to shut 'em down she just shut 'em down herself, but I think Mark Thomas, sorry, erm, Michael Palin's management did tell her to perhaps shut them down, erm, again I took all the key posters with me to a Michael Palin list I set up and they were all happy to be there, they thought my list was great, we had competitions, I gave out prizes, we had, erm, what's called the obquotes where every time you posted anything you have to come up with a suitable Michael Palin quote or get a forfeit of some sort, and er, it's was a really good fun list, and everyone was really happy with it I know from the feedback I was getting I've shut both the Mike Palin, Mark Palin, sorry I'm getting a bit mixed up here the, erm, Palin lists, and the erm, like I say the Michael Palin list and the, erm, erm, erm, Lord Gnome lists down because I was having [just/such?] computer problems and an illness and other things, erm, I'll probably resurrect them at some point, erm, and erm, I'm also gonna set up a UK Al Stewart list which, erm, Al Stewart's manager told me to go and do, because the list, the existing list is very Californian biased, as I think I explained to you, erm, and there's a lot of new-age American/Californian stuff and a lot of Europeans had a lot of trouble on that list, er, a lot of people had a lot of trouble on that list basically, not just me, although I was probably the most high profile one, a lot of people have, of Europeans particularly have, Brits particularly have signed on and left, I mean, one guy who actually runs an Al Stewart site in the United Kingdom, [it's/he's?] highly regarded he stormed out saying I can no longer toler...have erm this [garbled] in my house, and that was about some big flame war that went on before I arrived, I say ,after I left there was another big flame war, several flame wars, and the owner just shut the list down for a week, and then when she started it up again she brought a three-posts-a-day limit in, so, you know , it's not true that I just go round causing trouble, also I'm on a lot of professional lists and have been for many years, and I I there are proble... ---- Sat-01-Jul-2000-12-45.txt ---- Yeah, I'd be absolutely delighted if people on the Mark Thomas list would, erm, either block me or killfile me, I've actually suggested that several times they do just that, but essentially if they don't read my stuff then that makes it harder for them to flame me so you know I get a quieter life and the people who want to read my stuff are reading it anyway and so they're posting me privately and I quite like that I actually prefer to have private conversations with people who are my frien-you know who are sorta friendly and amenable than to have people on the list just firing off flame all the time I mean that's just pointless and very time-consuming, I think that's my biggest gripe here, the amount of time and effort I've spent doing damage limitation, because of all the things that people on this list who have been going round trying to do me, with outside bodies, like the Mirror Group, erm, guys, and I say there's you know there's something going on between me and the editor's office now trying to sort out what's going on here I might be taking legal act-I might actually take out an injunction against Kelly, cause he's, apart from writing stuff about me, he's been phoning people I've been involved with, like CallNet, erm, press office and that, which is really nothing to do with Kelly really, he's just sticking his nose in, he's been wound-up by Bayliss, he's bought Bayliss's rubbish and off he goes, I think when Kelly sits down and thinks about all this he's gonna realise he's been manipulated by people like Bayliss and I say, the wrath might well turn towards, erm, the list, that's I think that's quite possible that could happen, erm, anyway, erm, as I was saying, erm, I would rather just talk communicate with a few people who I'm you know who are amenable and nice and friendly, unfortunately on this list there aren't many people like that, most of them are complete arseholes, quite obviously, erm, who keep sort of sending me, you know, er basically hate mail that's what it boils down to, both privately and publicly, and that's just childish, I mean there is a lot of incredibly childish behaviour, erm, on this list a very, a lot of very immature people, I mean Ro-shell Harris is just a kid, just a child pratting around, erm, and I think she's certainly has been warned, she's had a warning from her internet provider I believe, and if she, if I get any more from her then she will be closed, a number of accounts have been closed actually, I'm now starting to get stuff in from the ISPs, that takes a while to go through in many cases but it is just going through... ---- Sat-01-Jul-2000-12-48.txt ---- Er, yeah, erm, one thing about Kelly's piece which bothers me, I mean it doesn't bother me on the journalism side in the slightest I already more or less decided not to give much more to the Mirror after my run-in with Vernon Coleman, which I say you know is already in the hands of Private Eye including the tape and that's probably going up on the internet, I mean all I did was ask the guy to speak to a journalist on the People, Charlotte, erm, Charlotte was [asking/after?] me to work with her on a field story in Canada and don't go phoning her up about this, I mean, it's all history now, erm, which, and I went off and did all that, and she seemed pretty happy with it, and they even used some of the stuff I gave them although I never got paid, and then I was told, erm, when researching a field story [a journo/John?] on London act- on an action told me to take a look at Huntingdon, I didn't know what Huntingdon was, so I looked at that, and I tried to get the story into the paper, and I ask-, cause I knew Vernon was anti-vivesection I asked him if he could, erm, basically have a word with Charlotte about this, and he got very huffy for some reason, because I left a message for him to do that, that's all, nothing more, nothing less, I mean he gets millions of things every week, [garbled] he gives his email address in his stupid column in the paper ---- Sat-01-Jul-2000-22-25.txt ---- yeah, it's me i might, erm, do a deal with you over my domain name I might, erm, let you give it to me and give me some damages, I want compensation for the time I've spent trying to sort this mess out. I'll work that out and think about it, otherwise I'll see my lawyers on monday and I'm gonna start legal action against you. Erm, by the way your website you're quite into, are you into Morton Hackit, he's in a group called aha, because I noticed that all your, all the files were all called aha, with a million levels of sublevel, why do you do that, why do you have 20 sublevels called aha, I mean there's a file there called masturbation which looks quite interesting although I haven't had a chance to actually look at all the files yet, I downloaded the whole site, erm, the last couple of days, it's quite big your site, got a lot of stuff in there. And I'm gonna have a good look around. And I say it's perfectly legal what I've done, but I was just curious about this aha/aha/aha. Okay then, bye. Mmmm... ---- Mon-03-Jul-2000-02-46.txt ---- Yeah, I mean if you wanna go to police cause you reckon I'm harassing you feel free to do so, you have nicked something which rightfully belongs to me, my local copper's already aware of this, I mean, I didn't actually make a formal complaint but when they were round here collecting all sorts of other information reg-- pertaining to that damn mailing list I showed them on the computer the fact that you had snaffled my name and we had a little chat about it, so they already know all that, and erm, perhaps it will come to it, I mean, well it's not really a police matter it's a civil matter, erm, but I say we're gonna turn you over in the courts that's for certain, and obviously when we dig around in your past if we find anything interesting, erm, that'll go off to the appropriate authorities won't it, okay bye. ---- Mon-03-Jul-2000-02-50.txt ---- Oh, I forgot to mention the news story I'm gonna write, certainly for the computer magazines and if the story's strong enough, which I think it will be, for the nationals as well, I mean Jeanette Winterson wrote a piece in the Times "How I fought to get my name back" and the procedures she went through and all that and that was actually quite interesting now, I'm obviously not as famous as she is but nonetheless with all the other Mark Thomas stuff I've got, you know, all this criminal stuff going on and Official Secrets Act and all that stuff, you know, I've got a story there and it will get told. So, welcome to fame and fortune, Mr La-cough-ski. Bye then. ---- Thu-06-Jul-2000-17-10.txt ---- Er, Mr winjer this is Ian Gomeche here, you left your phone number on your email so I have given you a quick ring, but don't worry I'm not going to make a habit of this. Just tell your gang of Mark Thomas morons, that I'm absolutely deadly serious about legal action and certainly PC King is very serious about all the work he's doing on this, he's done a lot of work and he's got a pile of printouts, he's been in touch with the, erm, data protection people, BT liaison officer, erm, all sorts of people, and he's beavering away, and yeah, he believes that he, er, you know this is going somewhere, he wouldn't be doing it otherwise. Also, on the civil side, I have spoken to Katrina, several times, and, erm, emailed her all sorts of stuff and, erm, you know things are now moving on the, on the civil side. Er, I don't know why you people have this kind of idea, that somehow your list don't count when it comes to the law, that you can do what the hell you like, you know, it's a, it's a free-for-all, it's a prank. That's not true, you know if break the law you break the law, if you break the law in cyberspace, you, it is as much as if you broke it anywhere else. Erm, any[garbled] who'd written certain things to me in a letter, in letters would have been done, and the fact that they come to me via email makes no difference. The fact that people have been interfering with my BT accounts, have been subscribing me to porn lists, all the rest of it, you know these are illegal activities and they are going to be traced and they are going to be nicked. A number of people on that list are going to be charged, and you know, it's no good then wingeing it's somehow my fault, if they break the law they the law, I'm sorry. You pass that on to all your pals, bye then. Mmmm... ---- Fri-21-Jul-2000-19-52.txt ---- Okay you great steaming woofter, I want you off my back, you keep saying go away and leave us alone, well I did do, in fact I walked away from your list, your mailing list and yet you keep setting up egroups to annoy and irritate me, you sent me an email just now to annoy and irritate me, *you* are the wind-up merchant and yet you call me a troll by your distorted logic. I say, er, too much of, erm, the activity you pooves get up to I think actually rots the brain. Anyway get off my back loo-ee will you. Lou however you pronounce it. ---- Fri-21-Jul-2000-19-53.txt ---- Right you steaming fairy, just listen to me, you deliberately wind people up, like when you go through Norwich yelling homosexual remarks to your boyfriend just to annoy the passers-by as you said in your email that's what you do, that's how you get your jollys, you go round winding people up, you have certainly pushed me to the limits over the last few weeks, you have incessantly been posting stuff about me when I've asked you not to, you have set-up very contentious egroups with things like We Love Ian Gomeche Fan Club and now that's been chucked out We Love Ian Gomeche, deliberately designed to really annoy me and wind me up you know you're just basically taunting like hell and then when I gets cross and heavy you then rush off and scream "Rape!" I mean that's the sort of thing you pathetic queens do, well now the answer is just to go away and leave me alone, I've left your Mark Thomas list alone I mean you can discuss me on there as much as you like for the rest of your lives I'm not interested any more, you guys in the scheme of things are totally trivial and a complete waste of space anyway, I've got a life to live I've walked away from the Mark Thomas list and life has been quite good since th... ---- Thu-08-Feb-2001-19-20.txt ---- Okay then Mr van Looy listen to me you bloody poof, if you and your gang harass me any more then I wanna get someone in London that's gonna go and do a spot of queer bashing, you know who this is, I haven't been near you lot for months and months and months and months, and suddenly you start harassing me again, very unpleasantly, now you personally may not have been involved in it this time but I'm pretty damn certain you're something to do with it, so just tell Mr Adams and the others to back off, because I wanna get really heavy this time, I'm also been writing, I will be writing a news story about all this nonsense and you will get mentioned again, bye. ---- Sat-24-Feb-2001-14-00.txt ---- Oh yeah, I forget to mention I'm also going to crucify you in the computer trade press *and* with your customers, I mean none of whom are very impressed with this vindictive behaviour, you know exactly what I'm talking about, and I'm sure that Channel 4 aren't going to be amused either, in fact no-one's going to be amused by what Kennedy thinks he's playing at here. I assure you that site is registered in bad faith, every court in the land's gonna think so, I can't see him possibly winning a legal case and I'm just gonna take you to the cleaners. Anything libellous posted will equally be dealt with. ---- Fri-18-Oct-2002-13-10.txt ---- Now you listen to me Kennedy the police know what an agent provocateur you are - do play them this tape by the way - they know you deliberately do things to provoke me into making these sort of phone calls so that you can go and complain. Well I'm phoning you at work, erm, I phoned you at Thus plc, at Demon if they've switched me through to private number that's there problem and not mine. Erm, essentially, you are making my life hell you know what you people are doing, you are tying up a lot of police time, a lot of police time by your actions, I don't think they will entertain any complaints from you which is why I haven't been charged yet with anything, but do feel free, try and get me in court. I'll use court privilege to tell the whole world exactly what you've been up to for three years, I'm sure they'd love to know, er, I don't mind going to court if that's the-- if it means I can get my message out. I mean, the way you are behaving, your group is behaving is basically criminal, you are tying up police time that needs to be spent on other serious investigations, you are trying to sabotage investigations I'm doing where I give a lotta help to police forces, you are quite happy to work on the principle that anyone who's my enemy must therefore be your friend however low a life they are, I mean you've been getting into bed with some real low-lifes, even by your standards Kennedy, it's just outrageous, I mean, er, this has been going on for years - I walked away from your discussion group three bloody years ago, two years ago and yet you people are still making my life utter hell or doing your damnedest to and then when I get upset and I phone you up you then run off to the police the plain-- complain. That's called being an agent provocateur and the police aren't stupid, they see what you're all about Kennedy. Now get off my backside will you, get off my back! Go and harass someone else. Mark Thomas has told you loads of people to harass, all the directors of Balfour Beatty for a start or erm Menwith Hill, erm, there's loads of people, erm, Imutron, there's load of companies out there doing dodgy stuff you can go and harass them - you and your gang on the Mark Thomas discussion group on the internet just get-- drug-make-- takers and anarchists and general hooligans. I know you spend all day running your discussion group, erm, you've got twenty-- two-hundred postings a day, a lot of them bounce back there's a lot of work for you there, quite knows what Demon think they're are paying you for I've absolutely no idea, but then that's just a stupid company we know how useless Demon are they wel-- they must be useless to employ you for a start I mean Unisys would never have given you the time of day, they just wouldn't have done. Now get off my back Kennedy, it's utterly clear.